From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 8 16:03:36 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA24549 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:37:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from eagle.eng.warwick.ac.uk (eagle [137.205.144.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA24533 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:37:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from eng.warwick.ac.uk by eagle.eng.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id PAA02810; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:37:07 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <13168.9810081437@eng.warwick.ac.uk> From: "Andrew Tucker" <andrew.tucker@warwick.ac.uk> To: Jonathan Schofield <jonathan.schofield@designmotive.co.uk> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:37:09 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Spirited Reply-To: Andrew.Tucker@warwick.ac.uk Cc: BritDisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <981008.133052@designmotive.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA24537 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Well said!! I couldn't agree with you more J, you've just beaten me to writing a similar posting. laters Norm. On 8 Oct 98, at 13:30, Jonathan Schofield wrote: > Jon, > > You wrote, > > "Spirit is something that seems to be lacking in the higher positions: > spirit changes from being "playing to enjoy the game" to "not getting > arsey when someone calls a foul on you". " > > and ended your mail, > > "Where is your spirit 'top' teams??????" > > I'm not going to enter in to the whole tour structure argument, but I do > have to comment on the above. In your mails to date you seem to be > implying: > > 1) That the top teams are lacking in spirit because they want to impose > their wishes upon the rest of the Ultimate playing community. To this I > would point out that there must be somewhere in the region of 100 > individuals playing for the top eight teams, but so far I have only seen > between 5 and 10 individuals from these teams posting comments on the > issue of the tour structure PLEASE DON'T assume that these few > individuals speak for the whole of their teams! > > 2) As I understand it, the core idea of "the Spirit of the Game" is more > closely expressed in "not getting arsey when someone calls a foul on you", > as you put it, rather than "playing to enjoy the game". You can, after > all, play ANY game just for the enjoyment of it. The whole point of "the > Spirit of the Game" is to play in a sportsmanlike manner - to make > reasonable infringement calls as defined by the rules, and to respect the > calls of others when they make them. One of the interesting things that I > thinOver the years I have heard many people express the opinion that the > top teams lack Spirit. Your comments so far are somewhat ambiguous on this > issue - please confirm Jon that you don't subscribe to this opinion as I > find it objectionable. There are many, many players on the "top teams" who > I regard not only as good athletes, but also good sportsmen in the heat of > competition. I was unable to stick around at Nationals to watch the Final, > but from what I have heard, it was a highly competitive AND very spor > Jonathan Formerly ShotGONE Now Catch 22