From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 17 11:46:20 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA22157 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:44:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA22150 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:44:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA03848 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:45:41 +0100 (BST) Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA11819; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:45:40 +0100 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:45:40 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199807171045.LAA11819@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: I disagree wth David X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > I think this discussion gives a good motivation for having > TWO SEASONS in the outdoor year. > In the first season people who wanted to could play for > their geo team and help it improve. > In the second season they could make their tactical switch > to a better team so as to be able to go to worlds. > Wouldn't this be good for British Ultimate? The season does have some sort of break in it currently, (at the end of the tour) - which is deliberate. I would not like to be party to any setup that forced players to be with any particular team for any part of the season. Most people play ultimate to play ultimate, not to help it grow. The fact that some of us are happy to devote time to 'helping' the sport work 'better' (differently?) should not mean that we expect it from everyone/anyone else. I put in time to the 'admin' side of ultimate. I am not prepared to spend time on the pitch 'helping' people - that time is when I want to be playing tough, close games of good quality ultimate. If it can be well spirited, and I have the chance to chat and crack gags with my team and my opponents then so much the better. The effort that I put in to BUF (eg the Tour) is solely based on the premise of improving things for people who play today. If there is a knock-on effect that means more people will see/play ultimate then fine - but I don't think I'm alone in saying that I don't really care much about that. (I realise that many folks do not see things this way and are much more concerned about spreading the word of ultimate. I guess we need both approaches.) In summary: "I don't care what is good for British Ultimate. I just want the ultimate that I am involved in to work better for me, my team, and other current ultimate players across the country." Controversial? Si (22) - and resigning!