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Reply-To: "Neil Cooper" <neil.cooper@usa.net>
From: "Neil Cooper" <neil.cooper@usa.net>
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Subject: To geo or not to geo
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:41:16 +0100
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well here's my tuppence worth ......
1. the new teams that have sprung up in the last few years, catch, =
chevy, uti etc .. have raised the level of ultimate in this country.
2. previous to this the best team in the country was geo based, and had =
the advantage of a large geo area.
3. the question now is - where do we go from here ?
I believe that the standard of ultimate across the board has increased, =
particular reference goes to the tour this year with an incredible =
increase in the top x teams as a whole, readers can take x to be any =
number between 4 and 32 depending on their outlook of british ultimate =
as a whole. The majority of these teams are geo based, and the increase =
in standard of ultimate as a whole is the natural progression of teams =
as the player base gets wider. These are the teams that are able to =
practice regularly because they have a large local player base.=20
My feelings are as this continues then the geo teams should, and will =
strengthen. I'm not saying that players should not be able to play with =
who they want to etc. The question is how many new players are =
introduced to Ultimate at the n times a month practices that the non-geo =
teams have. To be a true geo team is more than holding practices twice a =
month. =20
We are getting to a position where more geo teams are competing at a =
high level. Next year we'll have the bi-annual merry-go round for world =
clubs. I'm not saying I have a solution to this - of course players want =
to play at St. Andrews. Yet will this decrease the strength of =
non-qualifying clubs next year in the tour.?
in our own position at HR - we have a good geo based team, and practice =
regularly. we also have players who play for the other teams, including =
the 'top' teams, who live in the area and practice with us. If they did =
play for us then this would strengthen our team further, and we would be =
in a position that gun has been for quite a few years with the wide =
skilled player base that they can draw from as well as hard practice. I =
presume that this happens elsewhere in the country too. These players =
are more than welcome to the practices, it improves our game and their =
skills and experience help the new people who come through. Obviously =
this comes up in discussions, and the nature of the sport means that =
players who train with us aren't (too) pressured to play with us =
competitively.=20
And finally, Colin wrote ......(re: gun)
>>Yes they were all good players but they practiced regularly. That team =
is=20
>>argueably the best this country has ever seen at any Worlds or World =
Clubs.=20
>>Until the team we send to represent Great Britain at major =
championships is the=20
>>best team in the country, that is the team which trains and plays =
together=20
>>regularly we (Great British Ultimate) are never going to fulfil our =
potential at=20
>>the highest level.
I have to disagree here - we are by no means at the stage where we send =
a club team to World Nationals (if this is what you're inferring). Maybe =
3 or 4 years down the line but at this stage this would destroy the =
progress that has been made in the last few years.
Anyway - late for work
Coops - Headrush #14
... food for thought, not for flaming, and i know that I / my team is =
not whiter than white when it comes to tarting for Druids at europeans =
or picking up players for worlds .. =20
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>well here's my tuppence worth=20
......</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>1. the new teams that have sprung up in the last few =
years,=20
catch, chevy, uti etc .. have raised the level of ultimate in this=20
country.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>2. previous to this the best team in the country was =
geo=20
based, and had the advantage of a large geo area.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>3. the question now is - where do we =
go from=20
here ?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>I believe that the standard of =
ultimate across=20
the board has increased, particular reference goes to the tour this year =
with an=20
incredible increase in the top x teams as a whole, readers can take x to =
be any=20
number between 4 and 32 depending on their outlook of british ultimate =
as a=20
whole. The majority of these teams are geo based, and the increase in =
standard=20
of ultimate as a whole is the natural progression of teams as the player =
base=20
gets wider. These are the teams that are able to practice regularly =
because they=20
have a large local player base. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>My feelings are as this continues then the geo teams =
should,=20
and will strengthen. I'm not saying that players should not be able to =
play with=20
who they want to etc. The question is how many new players are =
introduced to=20
Ultimate at the n times a month practices that the non-geo teams have. =
To be a=20
true geo team is more than holding practices twice a month. =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>We are getting to a position where more geo teams =
are=20
competing at a high level. Next year we'll have the bi-annual =
merry-go=20
round for world clubs. I'm not saying I have a solution to this - of =
course=20
players want to play at St. Andrews. Yet will this decrease the strength =
of=20
non-qualifying clubs next year in the tour.?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>in our own position at HR - we have =
a good geo=20
based team, and practice regularly. we also have players who play for =
the other=20
teams, including the 'top' teams, who live in the area and practice with =
us. If=20
they did play for us then this would strengthen our team further, and we =
would=20
be in a position that gun has been for quite a few years with the wide =
skilled=20
player base that they can draw from as well as hard practice. I presume =
that=20
this happens elsewhere in the country too. These players are more than =
welcome=20
to the practices, it improves our game and their skills and experience =
help the=20
new people who come through. Obviously this comes up in discussions, and =
the=20
nature of the sport means that players who train with us aren't (too) =
pressured=20
to play with us competitively. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>And finally, Colin wrote ......(re: =
gun)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>>>Yes they were all good players but they =
practiced=20
regularly. That team is <BR><FONT size=3D2>>></FONT>argueably the =
best this=20
country has ever seen at any Worlds or World Clubs. <BR><FONT=20
size=3D2>>></FONT>Until the team we send to represent Great =
Britain at major=20
championships is the <BR><FONT size=3D2>>></FONT>best team in the =
country,=20
that is the team which trains and plays together <BR><FONT=20
size=3D2>>></FONT>regularly we (Great British Ultimate) are never =
going to=20
fulfil our potential at <BR><FONT size=3D2>>></FONT>the highest =
level.<BR>I=20
have to disagree here - we are by no means at the stage where we send a =
club=20
team to World Nationals (if this is what you're inferring). Maybe 3 or 4 =
years=20
down the line but at this stage this would destroy the progress that has =
been=20
made in the last few years.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Anyway - late for work</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Coops - Headrush #14</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>... food for thought, not for flaming, and i know =
that I / my=20
team is not whiter than white when it comes to tarting for Druids at =
europeans=20
or picking up players for worlds =
.. </FONT> </DIV></BODY></HTML>
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