From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 10 15:56:07 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA26601 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:38:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from charon.cargill.com (charon.cargill.com [167.136.225.225]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA26568 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:38:22 +0100 (BST) From: Andy_Lucey@cargill.com Received: from hermes.cargill.com (hermes.cargill.com [167.136.226.140]) by charon.cargill.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA03931 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:37:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lonn.cgo.cargill.com (lonn.cgo.cargill.com [172.31.59.51]) by hermes.cargill.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA07195 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:37:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by lonn.cgo.cargill.com (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) with SMTP id PAA31184 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:37:38 +0100 (BST) X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:37:29 +0100 Message-Id: <H00000e302a88d56@MHS> Subject: handicap MIME-Version: 1.0 TO: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="cc:Mail" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="cc:Mail" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk it seems to me that someone is missing the point...if you handicap games you're going to ultimately handicap the sport. Ultimate in the uk seems to be progressing pretty well in the uk without pointless tampering. i havent played for a couple of years but without any doubt the domestic game is significantly more competitive today than it probably ever has been in the uk. over the past 15 years- tenants dominated, occasionally threatened by boleros, followed by hombres/ shotgun who were effectively unchallenged for a decade. only now have you hit a point where you cant say for sure who will win a uk tournament- which is more than can be said of many high-profile sports being played in the world at the moment- (brazil to win the football world cup, man utd/arsenal in domestic football, new zealand in rugby, 2/3 guys in tennis) so i think the sport is in a pretty healthy state. oz freire made a valid point however- there is only one way the new teams will stop getting their ass kicked- OUTDOOR PRACTICE- if you cant throw you wont win , so dont develop systems that ultimately compensate for a lack of ability (and being good indoors wont help). anyway, looking forward to seeing the new improved teams at ross where hombres will once again prove the old boys who can throw are still pretty good ! toy