From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 10 11:34:55 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA23071 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:24:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA23062 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:24:04 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807101024.LAA23062@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <3QMM276F>; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:24:23 +0100 From: "HUGHES, Chris" <CHughes@chelt.ac.uk> To: "'Britdisc'" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: RE: RE>Re: Handicapping Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:22:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk At the risk of bringing this discussion to an end I would like to pick up on something Oz said; -----Original Message----- From: Oz Freire [SMTP:enquiry@designmotive.co.uk] Sent: 10 July 1998 09:53 To: 'Britdisc' Subject: RE>Re: Handicapping Alternatively, we could all forget this handicapping nonsense, go out and practice more, improve our disc skills and give the top team TIGHTER games. Don't we already. Hasn't the standards of the top division of the sport improved, so that if any of the top teams are not playing to the best of their ability they will lose. Up to two years ago, it was a case of the tournament was purely to see who would lose to shotgun in the final. Whilst some would argue that UTI are now in that position I don't feel they are there yet, They may be the leading team at the moment but certainly not to extreme of shotgun / hombres. I think that the top group of teams have caught up Shotgun and as a group have improved. Not only that but are also being caught by the group just behind. But we have to appreciate that four every team that enters the tour, who seriously thinks they have a chance of winning a tour event, there are four or five teams who are there more for the entertainment factor. They want to win, but more importantly they want to have fun. These teams have to be accommodated. It is these younger teams who are expanding the reaches of the game, bring new players in. (This returns to the previous discussion about the role of different teams in developing the game - which I don't want to repeat) Instead we have to encourage the teams with tournaments outside the tour, and do something different by twisting the laws of the game (would the top teams complain about a two point huck line - something which only benefits the better team). Any handicapping system would probably not affect the outcome of the tournament. Any of the top five teams could easily score against weaker teams with only two players by having short guy (aram, adam b, adam h, si hill, jeff) huck to tall guy (rog, richie, lee, paulo, si weeks) who beats people by better disc read and athleticism. But the point is weak teams enjoy playing top teams and seeing how the game can be played, they just don't enjoy the stomping and the piss taking that is usually involved. A handicapping system, like any involved are going to be far more effective at equalising the bottom and middle teams, and also bridging the gap between the middle and top teams, no system is ever going to accommodate the gap between the 1st seed and 32nd seed of a tour event. There appears to be some doubt as to whether people would be interested in playing in such a tournament. Let me know your interest level please (personally - not on britdisc). Cheers, Chris