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From: "DEREK ROBINS" <D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk>
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Subject: Re: Something (else) to stoke the fire...
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Dear Britdisc and Aram,
I agree with Aram's observation ...
> I strongly feel that the biggest factor in Shotgun's longevity at the top
> of British Ultimate is the fact that most of us live near each other and
> therefore we are able to practice (train). I believe that as long as our
> opposition are groups of ex-college friends (who might or might not be great
> individual players) that get together at tournaments or occasional weekend
> sessions, we will continue to dominate.
I even agree with Aram, Scott and Patch on the desirability of teams
being more locally based, BUT I don't think there should be any
legislation for several reasons -
1. Ultimate has a spirit of freedom and most players don't want to
be told what to do and in particular who they should or shouldn't
play with.
2. However you drew up the rules they would be ambiguous or unfair
in some situations.
3. Policing the rules would be a thankless task which would in all
probability damage the BUF by upsetting a section of the membership
and diverting scarce volunteer resources from projects which are seen
as positive to a policing role that will only attract brick-bats.
> If you look around at other countries (or indeed other sports) most
> teams are comprised of players that live near each other and therefore
> practice together. It provides all sorts of advantages that just being good
> mates doesn't even begin to make up for, such as; fitness, plays, different
> offences and defenses etc..
Then again, being good mates can allow you to play the game without
yelling abuse at each other (no guarantee of course!) and that is
something which I value playing with STAN. It more than makes up for
the loss of competitive edge that we forego by not having team
practices.
> PPS: Del, I don't think that fragmenting the "big" teams is the right way
> forward for British Ultimate. If we don't recruit young raw talent (such
> as the regulators who were the typical non-geo team I dislike) how else
> do older, experienced players pass on the "knowledge"?
Olly, Doug, Ed etc were hardly raw by British standards but I don't
doubt that they have learned plenty since the merger. Whether the
merger was good or bad for British Ultimate is impossible to say, who
can say what would have happened? ..except that I am pretty sure we
would have had some more closely fought finals. Let me make one
thing clear before I sign off, I certainly don't intend telling any
of the Shotgun players who they should/shouldn't play with.
Del.
PS Sean, have you and Ingo and Conor started that Brighton team yet?
:-)
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