From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 29 14:44:42 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA29300 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 14:26:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk [193.114.232.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA29279 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 14:26:41 +0100 (BST) From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 3.0 Enterprise) id 00002D1B; Wed, 29 Apr 98 14:27:11 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 14:25:03 +0100 Message-ID: <00002D1B.eval@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Re: Women's Ultimate To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk laurapearce@btinternet.com wrote: LP>2. To play co-ed Ultimate, including at major events/tournaments where LP> ALL teams have to adhere to a compulsory gender specification (eg. 5-2, 4-3 LP> split) LP> HOWEVER, as the situation in GB stands at present, the second option is LP> not viable because as the level of competition is improving in the LP> men's game, it is a step backwards in its development to then play LP> co-ed ultimate instead. INSTEAD could indeed be a problem. Why not start with AS WELL? Looking at the Leicester CoEd last year, a fair chunk of the MALE players present were those from the upper echelons of British Ultimate and they attended the event on top of the Tour, GB commitments, etc. We need more tournaments, in general, so surely a step towards Womens Divisions (in the established Tour/Nationals system) and Tournaments would be to stage more CoEd events on the other weekends, hopefully attracting more Women to the mixed-sex game and then filtering them towards the single-sex sport? LP>5. Mixed Ultimate need not be abolished and it is important that LP> those players who want to play co-ed ultimate (as opposed to open) still LP> have that opportunity. That might mean ensuring some tournaments LP> outside Nationals and the tour are co-ed (ie 5-2/4-3 split). This gives LP> women a chance to play on teams with men, but be generally playing LP> against women. In other discussions currently ongoing about developing Ultimate, it has been proposed that the experienced teams/players could/should have a valid role in the development of the less experienced players. If we put two inexperienced male players on pitch with 5 experienced women, the men should learn loads - mostly about how their 'natural male abilities' (strength/speed/height/etc) can be destroyed by the womens experience 'natural female abilities' (agility/cunning/etc) If we put two experienced male players on pitch with the women, the chances of the men dominating the game are reduced, and there's the chance for either sex to learn from the other. LP> It is up to those people to put in the groundwork in organising co-ed LP> events. Does this mean the players that favour 'organised' CoEd Ultimate, whilst the Womens Ultimate purists don't want to be involved? Are there actually enough Women ready/able, and most importantly WILLING to support and participate in a Women's Division at an Open event on a regular basis? Sadly, I think not, on the WILLING basis. I'd like to be proved wrong! IMHO, I think the promotion of Women biased CoEd Ultimate (ie restricting the events the men can participate in, so they go and sort themselves out), as an extra to the Tour/Nationals system would be a useful step in the development of Womens Ultimate Wayne at work: wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk at home: wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk apologies for the disclaimer that follows... ________________________________________________________________ Notice of Confidentiality This transmission is intended for the named addressee only. It contains information which may be confidential and which may also be privileged. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error please contact: ~admin@watsonwyatt.co.uk or IT Manager: +44(0)1737 241144 Fax: +44(0)1737 241496 Watson Wyatt Partners is regulated by the Institute of Actuaries in the conduct of UK investment business. _________________________________________________________________