From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 30 07:05:02 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA11092; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 07:04:39 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA23707; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 11:55:39 GMT Received: from maila.uscs.susx.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id LAA23656; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 11:54:12 GMT Received: by maila.uscs.susx.ac.uk (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0vHqFI-000XFCa; Mon, 28 Oct 96 11:52 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA12637; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 15:47:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from newsgate.dircon.co.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id PAA12598; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 15:46:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from dmotive.UUCP (dmotive@localhost) by newsgate.dircon.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with UUCP id PAA19822 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 15:00:17 +0100 Date: 24 Oct 96 14:55:36 +0000 From: Jonathan Schofield <jonathan.schofield@designmotive.co.uk> Subject: Into the fray... To: BritDisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Message-ID: <961024.145536@designmotive.co.uk> X-Mailer: InterCall 1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO OK, Here's attempt number 3 to send this to BritDisc. Can't quite figure out whether I'm being discriminated=20 against as a Mac user or as a Shotgun player! Further to yesterday's exchanges on qualification matters. Glad to see that David from Lurkers has noticed us grinning=20 whilst playing. But then in the past we've been criticised=20 for just that. Seems you just can't be right when you're=20 thrashing the opposition! Rob Kingsley implies that the less experienced/able teams'=20 only opportunity to get better is from the experience of=20 playing against the top teams. I'm flattered that people=20 like to see us play, but... Three observations here aimed=20 at those questioning the top teams' perspective. 1. At risk of being patronising (I'm sure it will be seen=20 that way anyway)... Yes, you can learn from this experience,=20 but you can't assimilate what the top teams are doing to=20 you whilst you are being blown away. It is much more likely=20 that you'll understand what is going on while watching=20 (not playing), and only then if accompanied by the insight=20 of someone who understands what is happening. You may think=20 that this applies less to the mid ranking teams, and more=20 to the lower ranking teams - but my experience of how=20 little is understood by even some players on the top teams=20 suggests otherwise.=20 2. The point that y'all seem to be missing from Nolan's=20 excellent incendiary is that the top teams want to get=20 better too, but can't because we are condemned to spend=20 three quarters of our weekends playing teams that we know=20 we are going to thrash. You seem quite happy to be selfish=20 enough to require us to do this, but won't allow a little=20 selfishness on our part. Remember that the boys on Shotgun=20 have had to put up with this situation for between four=20 to nine years! (What a luxury, you think, but it really=20 isn't much fun). 3. The polarisation of opinions on this issue is in part=20 because we're discussing it in isolation. Surely part of=20 the whole problem is that no coaching infrastructure of=20 any kind exists for players beyond those who want to be=20 a part of the GB squads. Solve this problem, as well as=20 the structure of competition in this country, and we might=20 actually start producing players who are mentally tough=20 enough to compete at higher levels. Jonathan Shotgun