From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 28 19:15:06 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA07769 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 18:57:51 GMT Received: from calisto.ccc.cranfield.ac.uk (calisto.ccc.cranfield.ac.uk [138.250.1.172]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA07748 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 18:57:32 GMT Received: from CAP100.PC.CRANFIELD.AC.UK by calisto with SMTP (PP); Fri, 28 Nov 1997 18:54:27 +0000 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 18:55:47 GMT From: aaron altman <A.Altman@cranfield.ac.uk> Subject: You had to know this was coming..... To: britdisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Message-ID: <ECS9711281847A@ecs.pc.cranfield.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk But, in a country where so many of the major Universities have yet to field teams consistently from one year to the next, I find it peculiar to limit the amount of experience allowed players that might start a team at those same Universities. Obviously, Alex and myself are prime examples of that. Anyways, we always cover each other at tournaments!!! The fact is I know that the first year I was here, my team would not have DARED play in a student tournament without me, and to take them to the Majority of Open tournaments would have exposed them to so much carnage, they wouldn't have come back. Every person has a certain degree of pride. If you say beginner's tournaments are the answer, well, you need to have that experienced player to make things go, don't you? If you allow them to play in those tournaments, and then disallow them at Students, teams quite easily fall to pieces simply trying to get past that first marked/forced throw to start off the point. Sure, they need to learn how to throw it, but 21- 0 isn't much of a lesson. I set up the club here. I run the club. I distribute the responsibility to my team, but I can tell you, if asked whether I would continue if I couldn't compete with my University team, I am unsure of the answer, given the amount of time and energy I sink into training/coaching them and dealing with the administrative issues. Is this really what we want to happen? The same is the case with the club in Milton Keynes. The Kows were started largely by a student whose experience exceeded that of the currently proposed limitation. What are we trying to do here? It's sort of funny, because the same rule went into effect my first year of student eligibility in the US. The University of Texas team had been to EVERY Collegiate outdoor UPA nationals since the beginning of their participation in the competition (8 years). They had so many ringers who had been playing for over 12 years it was silly. In that application, the rule really did make sense. This time, I just don't see it. Aaron Cranfield University Alien Nation