From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 7 09:29:58 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA19515 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:09:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from firewall2.Lehman.COM (firewall.Lehman.COM [192.147.65.67]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA19499 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:09:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from relay.messaging-svcs2.lehman.com by firewall2.Lehman.COM (8.8.6/8.6.12) id EAA11988; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 04:09:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lonadminsmtp.lehman.com by relay.messaging-svcs2.lehman.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA04647; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 04:08:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from by lonadminsmtp.lehman.com (4.1/Lehman Bros. V1.6) id AB22263; Tue, 7 Oct 97 09:08:40 BST Received: from ccMail by lontok2030.gbccmail.lehman.com (IMA Internet Exchange 2.11 Enterprise) id 00052C37; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:07:46 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:07:17 +0000 Message-Id: <00052C37.1593@gbccmail.lehman.com> From: Aram_Flores@gbccmail.lehman.com (Aram Flores) Subject: Ultim-8 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Fellow Ultimate Players, I must confess I find the current Britdisc discussion on the Ultim-8 tour a bit amusing. I see it as coming down to one simple question: Does anyone think that one set or format of tournaments can possibly satisify the diverse pool of ultimate players in this country? The answer, in my opinion, is NO. How can the schedule of students be reconciled with the 9 to 5ers (7 to 6ers in my case)? Students want the tournaments scheduled around their exams and summer holidays, while the competitive club teams want the season centered around the major international tournaments and daylight savings time (lit pitches are scarce and expensive in London). Students want tournaments to be very cheap while club teams (at least ours) are more concerned with good pitches and facilities. Then there is the issue of who plays who and how often. A delicate balance to say the least. The top teams want mostly competitive games against the other top teams, the up-and-coming teams want to play the top teams, the "fun" teams don't care and students want to play everybody. Who gets their way? If you try to force the top clubs to play the lowest teams week in - week out wouldn't they be likely to split and form their own league (a la the premiership)? On the other hand if the lower club teams were never allowed to play the top teams how would they ever improve? The answer, in my opinion, is balance. I think the tour can be an important part of improving Ultimate in this country. The tour certainly made Shotgun a better team this year and propelled us to a fairly successful Vancouver campaign. However, I was a bit disappointed with the number of "regular" tournaments this year. I don't think that allowing the top teams to be split away from the lower teams for 4 or 5 tournaments each year is asking too much if their are 4 or 5 other tournaments where a more traditional format is used. In summary, I am a big supporter of the tour, however, I think it should be just one part of a balanced tournament calendar. Aram, Shotgun Ultimate PS: Students - organise your own tournaments, its got to be more fun than playing and hanging out with a bunch of "old and arthritic" (quoting Mark Jefferson) club players.