From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 7 09:06:20 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA15501 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:32:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from gcsin1.gecm.com (gcsin1.gecm.com [194.128.74.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA15474 for <britdisc@warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:32:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com by gcsin1.gecm.com; (5.65/1.1.8.2/13Mar95-0121PM) id AA26663; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:31:43 +0100 Received: from gcschm.geccs.gecm.com by gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com; (5.65/1.1.8.2/13Mar95-1139AM) id AA25330; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:31:43 +0100 Disclose-Recipients: prohibited Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 08:28:50 +0000 (GMT) From: "Giles Stoddard GNet (*744) 4189" <giles.stoddard@gecm.com> Subject: If you hate to disagree with me, why do it? In-Reply-To: <199710061431_MC2-22FC-8A6C@compuserve.com> To: britdisc <britdisc@warwick.ac.uk> (Reply requested) Message-Id: <5650280807101997/A00933/PLANET/11BA3A1C3100*@MHS> Autoforwarded: false Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Importance: normal Ua-Content-Id: 11BA3A1C3100 X400-Mts-Identifier: [;5650280807101997/A00933/PLANET] Hop-Count: 2 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Nancy Stebbing said: #> #>I hate to disagree with Giles- but here goes. #> #>Many mid- to lower- level teams learn a great deal from getting wallopped by top teams every once in awhile. They learn new plays, see real flow, and have a chance to push themselves harder than they might otherwise. The Tour has completely eliminated this learning process, serving the needs of the top teams, but at best ignoring (and at worst discounting) the needs of the other teams The tour is only 5 tournaments in a year. So there is still the chance for teams to get "wallopped" by top teams every once in a while reather than at every tournament. I have personally learnt a lot more this year by playing five games at a tournament where the score could have gone either way on each game, than from any game I've lost to nil. Being able to turn a game around from 6-0 down and win it can teach a team alot. Being 6-0 down against Shotgun then loosing 13-0 has taught me alot less. #> My guess is that the teams that went to Worlds were actually hurt by the fact that they were facing the same teams over and over again at home. It's terribly easy to get comfortable with a certain style of play which work's in one situation, but is useless in another. Anyone from the Worlds teams care to comment? After all, I could be wrong. I'm not from a Worlds team, but I would disagree with this. The Worlds team don't learn alot from winning 13-0 against a weaker team. Agreed we may not have enough competition at the top level in the UK compared to the USA, but it is better for those top teams to play in European tournaments to learn from playing other teams of the same standard. #>As for moving up and down- I strongly disagree. Due to a several problems at individual tournaments, teams at the 12-13 break had a single game (usually the first game Saturday morning) to move up. What's the problem with playing first thing on a Saturday morning? #>So if that game was lost, the rest of the tournament was wasted- no chance to move up and a small number of other challenging games. This might not be a problem of the Tour per se, as it was a tournament specific problem, but the Tour set-up didn't help the matter either. The pool games on Saturday meant that you had to come first or second in the pool to get in to the 5-12 play-offs. So if you want to throw your first game on Satuday I would have thought there's everything to play for in the next three games. #>I hope that the organisers, who worked their butts off to pull the Tour off and do deserve thanks and credit for their hard work, will seriously consider the feedback they requested at the end of the Tour. Agreed, both the positive and negative feedback. Giles ----------------------------------------------------- giles.stoddard@gecm.com WK: 0181 324 4189 HM: 0181 950 1559