From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 6 17:11:59 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA23447 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:51:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail.rmplc.net (koala.rmplc.co.uk [194.238.48.13]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA23425 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:51:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from acotgreave.rmplc.net ([172.16.27.34]) by mail.rmplc.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA19429 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:51:11 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199710061551.QAA19429@mail.rmplc.net> From: "Andy Cotgreave" <acotgreave@rmplc.net> To: "Britdisc" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Fw: Ultim-8 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:48:15 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > ok, deep breath, and here's a coherent reply..... > > your concerns are, I think, understandable, but I don't fully agree: > > Students *are* the biggest source of new players, but not really where 'the > strength of British Ultimate lies'. > > One thing you must realise is that once people have graduated, they may > want to play as much as possible. These people would not want to play less > competitive or fewer tournaments because of others who don't have time or > money to commit - non-students *do* want to play every weekend, and if they > can afford it, then why stop them? > > The tour was set up not only to develop the top teams, but to encourage a > variety of tournaments. It has been extremely hard to accomodate the > requirements of students, and while I am sorry that you don't feel that has > happened, the Ultim8 committee has spent considerable time considering the > student opinions. > > In the current format, of course the winning teams are going to be the ones > who entered every event - they will be more experienced. But, there was no > obligation for any team to enter all the tour events. If you didn't, you > wouldn't have qualified for the Top 16 places at the Nationals. However, > there was still a place for you and any other team in the 'B' division; > where you could have won, and called yourself the 17th best team in > Britain. > > As for consigning students to the indoor game. Who says we are? Why don't > you practise outdoors in the Winter, and start the summer season much more > prepared? Who says students have to play indoors? Why don't you organise > more outdoor tournaments, maybe for Students only? > > Students have a right to contend in the nationals, but any team that can't > get to five tour events just *won't* be as good as the 16 teams who do get > to all the tour events (okay, that may be a bit contentious) > > I could say more, but I work for a living! > > Before I go, I would like to repeat that the Ultim8 committee has discussed > the student issue at length. > > Andy C > Chevron > > >